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Was she 800 million years old? - guohua - 07-28-2020 This is Really Strange and I have reason to believe it's True. They say no actual picture of her was taken. Quote:Secret history: the mystery of Princess Tisulsky What if a 800 million year old marble sarcophagus was found, do you think they would just leave it on display? Let us start with what we know. Quote:THE MYSTERIOUS TISULSKY PRINCESS There were stories told in the Deep Dark Halls of the MSS in China. RE: Was she 800 million years old? - Ninurta - 07-28-2020 (07-28-2020, 05:20 AM)guohua Wrote:Quote:According to the scientist, whose name is not found on the Internet, the examination of the body revealed that it was less than 800 800 million years old, in the Carboniferous period of the Paleozoic era when only the dinosaurs existed on earth. The Carboniferous was around 390 million to 360 million years ago, not 800 million. Dinosaurs did not exist until the Triassic, around 30 million years after the Carboniferous. None existed during the Carboniferous. Instead, the Carboniferous was known for it's giant insects - 2.5 meter centipedes, 30 inch wingspan dragon flies, etc. Amphibians existed then, some up to 2 meters long, and lizard precursors to dinosaurs - but not dinosaurs - developed during the Carboniferous from tetrapod amphibians. Sounds like a weakly constructed cover for something else to me. Russians are devious - and weak - like that with their dizinformatziy. . RE: Was she 800 million years old? - guohua - 07-28-2020 @"Ninurta" To many other cultures the use of the word "Dinosaurs" covers all those time zone in our past history, because they were normally directed at the less educated and they spoke in simple terms. Actually, I'd like you and everyone to know, What I heard the "in those Deep Dark Halls" was the actual depth in the Coal Deposit was over 480 meter, which was translated into 405 feet in depth. Take it or leave it, But I'm thinking before Dinosaurs, much older. I was cruising the dark net and found the reference to something that reminded me, that I had heard of this, so I came to Google and found this article and posted it. RE: Was she 800 million years old? - Ninurta - 07-28-2020 I've heard of the Tisulsky Princess before, but this is the most information I've seen regarding her. A few years ago, I went searching the internet for more information, and there was not much to be had. All I could find was her name, associated with Russia and 800 million years old. This is the first mention I've seen of the find location or coal. I live in what used to be "coal country", and have collected fossils out of the coal for over 50 years now, and am well acquainted with the timelines involved. I think that the article is probably not very precise, perhaps considering the audience it was intended for. For example, finding the sarcophagus at a depth of 480 meters in the coal seems over-simplified to me. I've seen a lot of coal, mines and seams, and have never seen one 480 meters thick. I've never even seen one 480 feet thick. I think the thickest coal seam I've ever seen was around 15 to 18 feet thick. Most of them around here are just 1 to maybe 5 feet thinck - BUT they are buried under a lot of other stuff, mostly shale and slate, and I would guess that the article is probably accounting for the depth, but oversimplifying the materials layered into that depth. For example, this mountain I'm on right now used to be 200 feet taller. They cut 200 feet of rock and dirt off of the top off of it to get down to a seam of coal that was only 1 to 3 feet thick. Two seams actually I think - at least there is a rock cliff at the top of the mountain that has two seams exposed. The upper one, at the point it is exposed, is about 9 inches thick, and the lower one is about a foot thick. BUT - they tore off 200 feet of mountain top to get to it. There may be a problem in the translation regarding the age - OR maybe the depth - OR maybe the material. There isn't any 800 million year old coal, but there are plenty of 800 million year old rocks of other material, some of which may be in some way associated with coal at one level or another. One has to go through a lot of other rocks to get to the coal, and in turn has to go through coal sometimes to get to older rocks. I'm not saying the Princess doesn't exist, only that the story is not fully developed in English to the point that I can make sense of it without speculating. That's why I went looking for information on her those years ago, and why I appreciate this story which adds to what meager information I found then. I know a lot more about coal and the carboniferous period than I do about the Princess, and that frustrates me. The place I live now is fairly "young" geologically and relatively speaking. The lower coal seam I mentioned above is 315 million years old, and called the "Eagle seam" - every coal seam around here has it's own name, and that layer can be followed over a wide area by association with outcrops of the same seam in other places. The Eagle seam outcrop, even at 315 million years old, is about 700 feet or so farther up the geologic column than my front yard, which is down in a "holler" carved out of the landscape. The tortured terrain here was cut out of fairly flat land by water action. It was laid down by sedimentation, then raised like a flat table into a plateau and water cut the landscape into it, cut it down into the plateau, leaving behind fairly flat layers in the steep mountainsides. The location where I was raised, about 30 or 40 miles from here, is lot older at 400 million up to about a billion years old, but it was formed when continents collided and actually folded and buckled the rocks, raising them into mountains which were then further shaped by erosion. There isn't much coal there, but there are hella old rocks. I think - and this is just me speculating - that it may be that the Princess was found in a situation like that. Older rocks near coal outcrops, but not actually IN a coal outcrop if that makes sense to you. Saying she was found IN the coal may be a claim that was lost in translation, or not really specific enough as to the relative location of the coal and the Princess. My best guess is that she was found in rock layers that old, which are UNDER a layer of coal, but not actually IN the coal. When I was a kid, and had just started collecting fossils out of the coal and rocks close to it, I found a lot of strange things. I found one fossil that was about as wide as a man's forearm, but looked like it had scales. I was convinced it was a fossil snake, but it turned out to be a tree branch. I found another one time that was a "lizard" to my young mind, but was actually an amphibian, like a salamander. it was about 9" long, and has since been lost which is a real shame, since as far as I know it is the ONLY tetrapod animal ever found around here. Both of those were found in massive "slate dumps", massive piles of rocks that were taken out of a mine from between layers of coal and then discarded because they were not economically important. So I have found strange things in the rocks between, above, and beneath the coal myself, and I'm not saying the Princess is fake, just that there is not enough information about her to satisfy my curiosity. . RE: Was she 800 million years old? - Snarl - 07-28-2020 (07-28-2020, 02:46 PM)Ninurta Wrote: I've heard of the Tisulsky Princess before, but this is the most information I've seen regarding her. A few years ago, I went searching the internet for more information, and there was not much to be had. All I could find was her name, associated with Russia and 800 million years old. This is the first mention I've seen of the find location or coal. Not matter what, it's a great story!! How do seams of coal actually form? Does anyone 'really' know? Are they ever in a viscous to liquid state ... capable of flowing? Does anyone 'really' know? RE: Was she 800 million years old? - Ninurta - 07-28-2020 (07-28-2020, 03:29 PM)Snarl Wrote:(07-28-2020, 02:46 PM)Ninurta Wrote: I've heard of the Tisulsky Princess before, but this is the most information I've seen regarding her. A few years ago, I went searching the internet for more information, and there was not much to be had. All I could find was her name, associated with Russia and 800 million years old. This is the first mention I've seen of the find location or coal. It forms by the compression of peat in an anaerobic environment. Plants grow, live, die, and fall in "swampy" environments. Over time, their own weight compacts them into denser and denser layers, squeezing out the moisture and leaving only the carbon component of the original organism. It's estimated that it takes 2 feet of leaf litter to make one foot of compacted peat, and 20 feet of peat to make one foot of compacted coal. Now, these same coal swamps where to coal is forming are subject to periodic flooding and transport of minerals from higher ground - clays and silt and the like, which, when deposited over the peat/coal leaves a layer of stone over time as it too gets compacted under the weight of subsequent layers. That is where the slate and shale found between coal seams comes from. Although liquid is present, they are never really in a viscous or liquid state. They are more in a "spongy" state. I've walked on peat bogs where I could see the ground "roll" and "wave" with every step as the spongy layer of peat floating over the liquid layer of water beneath it caused the ground itself to ripple. You could feel the ground beneath your feet quake, ripple, and spring as the water beneath it caused the surface layer of peat to displace. It was like walking along on a semi-solid pond. So there is potential there for the sarcophagus to have been buried beneath the coal or peat by digging or burying, or it could have been there long before the coal even formed, with the coal layers forming above it over time. 800 million years ago, the land on Earth was barren, devoid of any life at all. All of Earth's life at the time was in the oceans. It wasn't until around 550 to 540 million years ago that life migrated from the oceans and puddles onto dry land starting with plants (see "Rhynie chert" for the very first land plants) and graduating to insects and later amphibians. This means that the Princess, if 800 million years old, had to come from somewhere other than Earth, which is not entirely impossible. . RE: Was she 800 million years old? - Snarl - 07-29-2020 (07-28-2020, 06:00 PM)Ninurta Wrote: 800 million years ago, the land on Earth was barren, devoid of any life at all. All of Earth's life at the time was in the oceans. It wasn't until around 550 to 540 million years ago that life migrated from the oceans and puddles onto dry land starting with plants (see "Rhynie chert" for the very first land plants) and graduating to insects and later amphibians. This means that the Princess, if 800 million years old, had to come from somewhere other than Earth, which is not entirely impossible. Thanks (greatly) for your personal observations. You're a brilliant man. Some folks believe the Earth is ~4.5B years old. It's hard to imagine when 'life' might have cooked itself up. Hard to imagine what caused life to 'happen'. Might have happened more than once. Just imagine if the Earth had been around for 16B years, and it was just the moon's impact that reset the clock to 4.5B years ... Saw a really impressive video dissertation of that a good while back. Erased anything definitive I had ever been taught. No? RE: Was she 800 million years old? - Ninurta - 08-02-2020 (07-29-2020, 03:44 PM)Snarl Wrote:(07-28-2020, 06:00 PM)Ninurta Wrote: 800 million years ago, the land on Earth was barren, devoid of any life at all. All of Earth's life at the time was in the oceans. It wasn't until around 550 to 540 million years ago that life migrated from the oceans and puddles onto dry land starting with plants (see "Rhynie chert" for the very first land plants) and graduating to insects and later amphibians. This means that the Princess, if 800 million years old, had to come from somewhere other than Earth, which is not entirely impossible. Don't confuse education with intelligence. I know some stuff, but that doesn't mean I'm very bright. Quote:Some folks believe the Earth is ~4.5B years old. It's hard to imagine when 'life' might have cooked itself up. Hard to imagine what caused life to 'happen'. Might have happened more than once. The last estimates I heard placed the Earth at 4.6B years old, and the universe allegedly at 13.8B years. The oldest fossil evidence is 3.7 to 3.9B years old on Earth, meaning life allegedly started about 800 million years after Earth's formation, or just as soon as it cooled down enough to support life. In 1993 or so, I took a course in "The Origin and Evolution of Life" at the University of North Carolina. It was a fascinating course, much heavier on the evolution aspect than the origin aspect, mostly because no one has an explanation for the origins of life. Lots of theoretical constructs, but nothing replicable or falsifiable (i.e - they are all unprovable) - they can't use any of them to "create" life yet - and so no real science. The most fascinating Idea I came across in that class was the notion that biological molecules accidentally and randomly organized themselves along and adhering to the crystalline structure of certain clays, and then began to replicate as DNA does - i.e. just became "life". Fascinating, but still to this day unproveable, so no one in the scientific community really knows how it began. I think they never will. I don't think it's a phenomema that is explainable by science as we currently know science. ALL notions of the origin of life, both religious AND scientific, boil down to the sentence "some stuff happened, and then... magic". Science has not been able to improve on that so far. Quote:Just imagine if the Earth had been around for 16B years, and it was just the moon's impact that reset the clock to 4.5B years ... Saw a really impressive video dissertation of that a good while back. Erased anything definitive I had ever been taught. No? Well, I don't think that is a likely scenario, simply because the Earth - or any other planet - cannot have existed since the beginning of the universe. You see, all "metals" (all elements heavier than hydrogen) did not exist in the beginning. They are all formed in the cores of stars as the stars generate energy, as by products of the stellar fusion process. This means that, at least until some time after the first generation of stars died and exploded, to release those metals into the universe, there was no material to form planets out of. As subsequent generations of stars live and die, more metals are released into the universe, making planet formation possible, and eventually more likely. That is one of the reasons that Earth didn't form until 9B years or so after the universe did. The universe had just not yet made enough raw material to make it out of. Thee are likely planets out thee older than the Earth, and most of them will be poorer in resources. A billion years from now, there will even be more planets, and a higher number of them will be richer in resources than Earth is. In another 4.5 B years or so, our sun will swell and explode, contributing it's products to the raw material store to make new planets out of. It will also vaporize Earth and all the other planets, recycling the raw materials used to produce them 4.6 billion years ago back into the universe so that eventually they will contribute to the formation of as yet unheard of planets. . RE: Was she 800 million years old? - Snarl - 08-02-2020 (08-02-2020, 03:31 AM)Ninurta Wrote:Maybe ...(07-29-2020, 03:44 PM)Snarl Wrote:(07-28-2020, 06:00 PM)Ninurta Wrote: 800 million years ago, the land on Earth was barren, devoid of any life at all.Quote:Just imagine if the Earth had been around for 16B years, and it was just the moon's impact that reset the clock to 4.5B years ... Saw a really impressive video dissertation of that a good while back. Erased anything definitive I had ever been taught. No?In another 4.5 B years or so, our sun will swell and explode, contributing it's products to the raw material store to make new planets out of. It will also vaporize Earth and all the other planets, recycling the raw materials used to produce them 4.6 billion years ago back into the universe so that eventually they will contribute to the formation of as yet unheard of planets. In 3.75 B years ... Andromeda arrives. LOL. Wouldn't that be something to see? RE: Was she 800 million years old? - Tarzan the apeman. - 08-02-2020 I love this stuff. It reminds me of the one hundred million-year-old hammer found in Texas. Makes me wonder if our existence isn't cyclical in nature. RE: Was she 800 million years old? - Moonmagic - 08-02-2020 (08-02-2020, 01:19 PM)Tarzan the apeman. Wrote: I love this stuff. It reminds me of the one hundred million-year-old hammer found in Texas. Makes me wonder if our existence isn't cyclical in nature. There are too many ''Anomalies'' for me! it doesn't add up, I definitely don't think we were the first civilization. RE: Was she 800 million years old? - PLOTUS - 08-02-2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Ice_Maiden Seems a bit was known... RE: Was she 800 million years old? - Ninurta - 08-02-2020 (08-02-2020, 04:20 PM)PLOTUS Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Ice_Maiden I think that is different person. For one thing, the descriptions of the coffin do not match (marble vs. larch), and the mode of dress is different (no other lingerie vs. thigh-high stockings). . RE: Was she 800 million years old? - PLOTUS - 08-18-2020 Reminds me of a remarkable story/event of a holy man Pamamahansa Yogananda at his death. https://yoganandasite.wordpress.com/2017/02/28/the-miracle-at-forest-lawn-yoganandas-incorrupt-body/ quite a story, worth a read, not very long. RE: Was she 800 million years old? - MarioOnTheFly - 08-18-2020 (07-28-2020, 06:00 PM)Ninurta Wrote:(07-28-2020, 03:29 PM)Snarl Wrote:800 million years ago, the land on Earth was barren, devoid of any life at all. All of Earth's life at the time was in the oceans. It wasn't until around 550 to 540 million years ago that life migrated from the oceans and puddles onto dry land starting with plants (see "Rhynie chert" for the very first land plants) and graduating to insects and later amphibians. This means that the Princess, if 800 million years old, had to come from somewhere other than Earth, which is not entirely impossible.(07-28-2020, 02:46 PM)Ninurta Wrote: I've heard of the Tisulsky Princess before, but this is the most information I've seen regarding her. A few years ago, I went searching the internet for more information, and there was not much to be had. All I could find was her name, associated with Russia and 800 million years old. This is the first mention I've seen of the find location or coal. if you believe these numbers. My stance is...it's just theories. Much of the today's theories will some day be "debunked" by...articles of "new research", which now show that scientists previously "thought" wrong. I cant be bothered now to look for examples, but...it is almost a daily occurrence. Some of the dogmatic ones take a little longer to punch through. I also dont believe the stated Earth or Sun ages, not the universe's 13.8 bil years of age. RE: Was she 800 million years old? - Snarl - 08-18-2020 (08-18-2020, 12:04 PM)MarioOnTheFly Wrote:(07-28-2020, 06:00 PM)Ninurta Wrote:(07-28-2020, 03:29 PM)Snarl Wrote:800 million years ago, the land on Earth was barren, devoid of any life at all. All of Earth's life at the time was in the oceans. It wasn't until around 550 to 540 million years ago that life migrated from the oceans and puddles onto dry land starting with plants (see "Rhynie chert" for the very first land plants) and graduating to insects and later amphibians. This means that the Princess, if 800 million years old, had to come from somewhere other than Earth, which is not entirely impossible.(07-28-2020, 02:46 PM)Ninurta Wrote: I've heard of the Tisulsky Princess before, but this is the most information I've seen regarding her. A few years ago, I went searching the internet for more information, and there was not much to be had. All I could find was her name, associated with Russia and 800 million years old. This is the first mention I've seen of the find location or coal. It is a nicely wrapped package, ain't it? Most people (even really smart people) have a really hard time wrapping their heads around big numbers. I don't believe nothing can escape from a black hole. I think they periodically 'spin out' vast vast quantities of material. That's why we have spiral galaxies ... and the vast majority of that material exists in a plane. Doesn't much matter to me what people say is scientific. None of it is science ... unless it is repeatable. That means there's an awful lot of science ... that's just Science. RE: Was she 800 million years old? - MarioOnTheFly - 08-18-2020 (08-18-2020, 12:21 PM)Snarl Wrote: Doesn't much matter to me what people say is scientific. None of it is science ... unless it is repeatable. That means there's an awful lot of science ... that's just Science. Agreed. Theoretical science to me is like Marvel comics...fun to read, but I dont take it too seriously, and it constantly debunks itself. RE: Was she 800 million years old? - Raggedyman - 08-18-2020 Or simply dating old stuff can be out 800 million years Logical It’s 800 million years old? Dating technology is unreliable? RE: Was she 800 million years old? - MarioOnTheFly - 08-18-2020 (08-18-2020, 01:55 PM)Raggedyman Wrote: Or simply dating old stuff can be out 800 million years as far as I'm concerned, it is unreliable. It all depends on our understanding of underlying processes, for which I claim...we know very little of. But there is a constant human thirst to pretend we understand, then we almost daily have to hide things that dont fit that understanding. RE: Was she 800 million years old? - Antisthenes - 08-19-2020 (08-18-2020, 04:02 AM)PLOTUS Wrote: Reminds me of a remarkable story/event of a holy man Pamamahansa Yogananda at his death. Yogananda was amazing. His self realization fellowship center inos Angeles was super cool. His book Autobiography of a Yogi literally changed my life. I took a paridigm shift that I absolutely didn't see coming. Between him and Gibran I thonk my life was permanently altered. |